My background is in science, not in this field, but gain of function research as far as I know was always controversial since the possibility of a lab leak was ever present, and the possible consequences could be far reaching and dangerous. Who trusts this administration to investigate this properly, and be honest and above board? I don't. I don't trust the scientific community to be honest about this issue either. When I was seventeen and made up my mind to major in science I read The Cry and the Covenant, the life of Ignaz Semmelweis, an Austrian-Hungarian physician known for his research into puerperal fever. This was before the advent of the germ theory of disease, but due to his work he discovered that physicians delivering babies were the main source of contamination of the disease, and he was absolutely right, but the medical establishment ran him out of Vienna giving no credence to his findings, and ultimately the medial profession destroyed him emotionally and he wound up in a mental hospital where he was killed three weeks after his admission. There will be no resolution in this case either since many who support gain of function will never acknowledge it, or what they caused in doing so, and there would be a lot of possible political repercussions as well.
Thanks for the share. Very well written and using Occam's Razor, the lab was the only possibility. I had forgotten much of the smearing that the media did to anyone who suggested the lab leak theory. Now, the industrial strength amnesia pressitutes are claiming that Trump made it political, so that is why they pursued the zoonotic theory. That is laughable on its face.
Yep. The lab was the only theory that actually had evidence behind it. And when Fauci and the gang circled the media wagons to attack anybody who dared bring up the research grants -- it was clear the cover-up was on from the highest levels.
I'm not a scientist, ... matter of fact I'm not even all that bright, and from the beginning I believed this was a franken experiment that came out of a lab. Luckily for me, I do not watch TV news, so I didn't have to see or hear most of the BS gasllighting, with the exception of messages in my inbox that balked at such reporting.
Seems that all the things that the mad ‘scientists’ have been vehemently denying the last couple years, are now coming to light as truth. Do they think that if they slowly release the truth, that will protect them from prosecution? It’s not like we didn’t know the truth all along, and the only reason they’re not trying to suppress the truth anymore is because it’s become an unstoppable force. The next thing will be gaslighting us by pretending their message hasn’t done a 180° turn.
An observation. It seems the leak from the DOE was intentional, especially because he koolaid drinkers I know were immediately downplaying it as an irrelevant agency, (they ae very good memorizing their talking points!) This makes sense to me because I think they are using the lab leak theory as leverage. The message is, back off of aiding Russia or we take this to the next level, (DoD or CIA). If china steps back they disavow this report as irrelevant from a low level agency without all of the data and the MSM carries their water. If not they ramp up the pressure and Fauci, who is irrelevant now and expendable, goes under the bus.
So the upshot is the truth was never relevant. The lab link was seen to help Trump, and hurt the entrnched interests you describe, so it was bad. But if it can be used as leverage because Ukraine!, it is helpful. We have crossd the Rubicon.
It's obvious now that the USG along with the WEF/CCP is directly responsible for the death of over 7 million worldwide. This was done using fear and government control to usher in the UN Agenda 2030 protocols of a worldwide single control (UN) governing entity. C19 did not do all they hoped and dreamed it would. It's was a good start--what's up next will be the clincher. Look to Ukraine for the answer.
The weapon China unleashed on the world is lockdown for no scientific reason and the myth of a new pathogen. No samples exist. No studies prove symptoms are caused by this myth, and the tests are fraudulent (no gold standard because no samples). Everything can be explained without a novel virus
Wonderful summary of events. So many things have happened over the last 3 years, it's hard to remember all of them.
My favorite tangent - the mention of the anthrax letters from 2001. Whatever happened to the people that sent them? I guess as Director Wray said in an interview with Bret Baier last night - it's just one more "ongoing investigation" he can't talk about. It's just 22 years later!
Remember when Decker takes the snake scale the replicant left behind to the street ripperdoc who reads the corporate trademark on the DNA material?
That's how much of a slam dunk multiple furin cleavage sites are.
There aren't enough moments in the entire universe to make it statistically possible that "surgery scars" in the precise places a molecular biologist would place them could evolve naturally in a virus that mutates so quickly we have to make up stupid names for it.
Isn't there a third theory? Karen Kingston writes of intentional aerosol release of a bioweapon lipid nano particle creation from hell, that is not even a virus. She has either patents or contracts describing what's been done.
Thanks - great work. I do not have a science background but have always thought that the rapid mutation, after being exposed to humans was an indicator of lab development. We have had pandemics before but they tend to burn out. This has not. It has rapidly evolved into new strains, just like the common cold. Dos this happen often? This fast? Maybe someone more knowledgeable than I can address?
re: "Baric and Shi Zhengli of the Wuhan Institute of Virology, the two top experts on the genetic interplay between bat and human coronaviruses, began collaborating in 2015":
Just for fun, see the listed authors and publication date for this paper:
I've actually heard it said that their first collaboration (around Nipah virus research, allegedly) dates back to 2002, but I'm unable to substantiate that at this time. In any case, it seems likely that they've at very least been acquainted for much longer than is commonly assumed.
i heard the TWIV interview with Daszak at the time. he would talk about how easy it was to manipulate and create viruses. then the next week, the TWIV guys would insist that SARS COV-2 could not have come from a lab because "humans aren't smart enough to make such a thing" which seemed to contradict what Daszak was saying.
i pretty much stop listening to them, mainly because i didn't like being insulted as in "anyone who won't take the vaccine is a redneck, trump supporting, racist, high school drop out peddling russian disinformation" and i am none of those things (well, except for not taking the vaccine. they got that part right).
but i did listen to their most recent podcast which was about convalescent plasma which, now that the vaccine is safely EUAed, i guess it's safe to admit that it really does work. (can ivermectin be far behind?)
after the guest left and the regular hosts resumed their general sanctimonious banter, they got around to the lab leak hypothesis which is now endorsed by more government entities.
"how dare they?" "they aren't scientists" "there has never been any evidence that it came from a lab" etc. they still insist that "thousands" of children have died of covid, that "there hasn't been a single death from the vaccines" which are "miracles" although lately they are a bit dismissive of endless boosters.
they want politics entirely out of money and yet expect their funding demands to be met by the taxpayers without question since only they, the high priests of virology have the sacred knowledge.
they insist that GOF is of the utmost importance with it's potential to crank out vaccines for diseases (that wouldn't have ever existed but for GOF research) and force them on the public so that we may all enjoy a "guarantee" of perfect health.
let's face it, without GOF, virology would be the boring unsexy, not very lucrative historical study of viruses we already know and love. how much more thrilling to invent your own and then rush in at the 11th hour with the magic elixir to save the world and pick up a nobel prize or two.
Most are too busy, or too lazy, or too trapped in their favorite "Narrative™ " to do any searching for information that doesn't come on the silver spoon of MSM. Really sad actually. The really strange part, for me anyway, is that being a "redneck, trump supporting, racist, high school drop out peddling russian disinformation" is that I couldn't even buy a meat grinder without researching specs on hundreds of different models and reading reviews in order to make a final decision on which one to get. I still have a very lengthy Word file with highlighted text, product images, specifications and descriptions. lmao. I can't seem to delete it even now that it is no longer useful to me, because it represents nearly two months of daily research on the topic of Good Meat Grinders. If I will go through that just for a grinder, I can't imagine anyone lining up to ignorantly take this sludge injection based on what the News tells them, but what do I know, .... I'm a half-wit !!
it's so funny. when my father was alive, i was his constant companion and went with him to all his doctor appointments. whenever he was in the hospital, i slept in the chair by his bed, talked to the doctors, questioned every medication, had a shelf in the nurse's fridge for homemade food, etc.
i would write long posts on facebook to update friends on his condition and the comments always celebrated me for "doing your own research"and "taking control of your father's health" and "not merely doing whatever the doctor said." they all wished they could have such a pro-active, knowledgeable advocate if they were ever old and sick (FYI, my father was in remarkably good shape for a 95 year old man and being around him was a great joy).
i wonder what all these people would say now? "how dare you question the experts?" "stay in your lane." "you're just a theatrical costumer; you aren't capable of doing your own research."
it's like overnight, their brains got snatched away and replaced with mush.
Where my Mother lived, there is one sister, three nieces and two nephews, all grown and living within 10 miles and in 2013 Mom had to call me in Florida, to ask me if I would come all the way to AZ and take care of her because she could no longer drive, or cook, and was too unsteady on her feet, etc. Of course I packed up everything in a big U-haul and put my car on a trailer behind it and boogied. Being a Momma's boy has its responsibilities, after all. lol. I did the same with Dr's appointments and hospitals and found the Hospitals and the Dr's there didn't especially like that very much. She had early signs of dementia but the Dr. refused to listen to me, and told me "I'm The Doctor, Do You Think You Are Smarter Than Me?" and my answer was "Well, all things considered, ... YES, Yes I DO !!" I had to call the hospital customer relations dept. or whatever they call it and demand these specific tests be done whether the idiot Dr. wants to do it or not. They made him order the test, they came, they tested and I WAS RIGHT. He had someone else call me to give me the results, I had his number and called several times to speak to him in person, but never was able to. (Not Surprised at the unwillingness to be spoon fed Crow), In the end, what the hospital did, was report me to APS (Adult Protective Services) with BS claims. Talk about sour grapes huh ?? lol When people couldn't care less about taking care of their elders in the last years because they just can't be bothered, it really is indicative of just how LOW America has sunk. Mom passed in 2018 before covid began, and looking toward the chaotic vision of what the future is sure to bring, ... I think she is the lucky one.
Not only that; they lined up between the garden section and automotive section of Walmart (or wherever) and had a stock shelfer give them a mystery shot for a disease that had an IFR of 0.2%!
Instead of having Good Meat Grinder notes they have shrinkwrapped minds. If MSM (including fucking Fox) said it was good then 2,3 or 4 is better.
As my now deceased friend Dave Rankin would always say "Foolish Mortals !"
He had a way with sarcasm, and I can't even count how many different situations where his words "Thank You, I'll Take Two" were utterly hilarious. lol He died pre-covid, but I am certain these sludge jabs would have fallen victim to more than a few Rankinisms as we came to call them.
I have a folder on my desktop also, titled "Covid Shit" and it is now 2.66GB in size. I have been blasting coof and quaxxine info out to a long list of email recipients over the last 2.5 years and I get zero response. Yet at least one person who was interested in Meat Grinder research asked me for a copy of my notes in the Word file, so I sent it to them. Hard to believe there is more interest in that, than covid or the vaxx. There seems to be little hope for the species.
My affliction of time consuming search for into is derived from being a cheap bastard who wants the best product with the best features and highest quality and durability, for the least cost. I did the same exhaustive searching, even for auto parts. It's amazing the information one can find, like the fact that the vast majority of Alternators you can buy at big-chain auto parts stores, are complete garbage made in China, even the remanufactured one's and some are toast right out of the box. With the Grinders, I discovered that Anything you can buy in retail dept. stores is TRASH that will never last, have gears made of plastic, weak motors, etc. even up to the $150 range. The ones that advertise All Steel Gears are also trash even though they cost $150 and up, because the part they don't divulge is the fact that it is All Steal Gears except for that one plastic final drive gear that strips cogs off in short order. In the end I scored a 57 pound #12 Carnivore at Cabela's, on sale during the holidays for $430 delivered. It cost three times what I anticipated spending, but it will chew through an entire Deer in short order, can grind Chicken bones for Dog Food (for those who feed dogs that diet) and will likely outlast me. Sadly, any lesser grinder, is equal to lighting money on fire. Why such an interest in Grinders? Reading a study of how many different types of animals are found in store bought ground beef. That should be enough for anyone to become interested in making their own 95% lean ground chuck at home from roasts at a cost of only $2.97lb lol And strangely, I have not found a single bit of Bone in my burgers or meatloaf in the last several years. That was a welcome change. lol
(Edit) Cabela's X-Mas Sale 20% Off $399.99 @ Checkout
This one is like a motor with a handle on top (no housing) and comes with an ice pack for the auger head to keep it colder for long grinding sessions, It also has a storage drawer built in and has a nice large diameter collar ring to make it easier to loosen. It has decent rubber feet, but does not have a cord bail.
GUIDE GEAR 57675: #12
This one has a housing like a LEM with a handle on top, is also 3/4hp and has a built in storage drawer, BUT, unlike the Cabala's unit, the Guide Gear drawer opens out the rear rather then the front, which means you can access it even when there is a catch tub under it. It has a large collar nut also and It also has a cord bail for storage and also comes with a catch pan and three die plates where the Carnivore comes with two die plates. .. But it doesn't come with the ice pack for the auger head. Hmmm compromises I guess. If I had to do it over again, I'd likely try the Guide Gear #12 if I could get in on sale. The Guide Gear #12 and the Cabela's Carnivore #12 are priced in the same range for either of them, with the Guide Gear possibly slightly higher.
Oh and I was mistaken, the Carnivore is only 51.5 pounds and the Guide Gear, is a little larger and weighs almost 57lbs
you would think that everyone would know of him by now. that is the most valuable thing i got from listening to TWIV- knowing the cast of characters: Kristian Andersen, Jeremy Farrar, Marion Koopmans, Christian Drosten, Laurie Garrett- the whole motley crew.
then when their names came up again- the lab leak, the Fauci emails, the vaccine trials- i knew them all.
My background is in science, not in this field, but gain of function research as far as I know was always controversial since the possibility of a lab leak was ever present, and the possible consequences could be far reaching and dangerous. Who trusts this administration to investigate this properly, and be honest and above board? I don't. I don't trust the scientific community to be honest about this issue either. When I was seventeen and made up my mind to major in science I read The Cry and the Covenant, the life of Ignaz Semmelweis, an Austrian-Hungarian physician known for his research into puerperal fever. This was before the advent of the germ theory of disease, but due to his work he discovered that physicians delivering babies were the main source of contamination of the disease, and he was absolutely right, but the medical establishment ran him out of Vienna giving no credence to his findings, and ultimately the medial profession destroyed him emotionally and he wound up in a mental hospital where he was killed three weeks after his admission. There will be no resolution in this case either since many who support gain of function will never acknowledge it, or what they caused in doing so, and there would be a lot of possible political repercussions as well.
This is an awesome piece of research and writing -- my hat is off to you!
"The second theory, the more controversial one, is the one I have always been adamant about."
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The lab theory was the only one that actually had any evidence in favor........
Thanks for the share. Very well written and using Occam's Razor, the lab was the only possibility. I had forgotten much of the smearing that the media did to anyone who suggested the lab leak theory. Now, the industrial strength amnesia pressitutes are claiming that Trump made it political, so that is why they pursued the zoonotic theory. That is laughable on its face.
Yep. The lab was the only theory that actually had evidence behind it. And when Fauci and the gang circled the media wagons to attack anybody who dared bring up the research grants -- it was clear the cover-up was on from the highest levels.
I'm not a scientist, ... matter of fact I'm not even all that bright, and from the beginning I believed this was a franken experiment that came out of a lab. Luckily for me, I do not watch TV news, so I didn't have to see or hear most of the BS gasllighting, with the exception of messages in my inbox that balked at such reporting.
Seems that all the things that the mad ‘scientists’ have been vehemently denying the last couple years, are now coming to light as truth. Do they think that if they slowly release the truth, that will protect them from prosecution? It’s not like we didn’t know the truth all along, and the only reason they’re not trying to suppress the truth anymore is because it’s become an unstoppable force. The next thing will be gaslighting us by pretending their message hasn’t done a 180° turn.
An observation. It seems the leak from the DOE was intentional, especially because he koolaid drinkers I know were immediately downplaying it as an irrelevant agency, (they ae very good memorizing their talking points!) This makes sense to me because I think they are using the lab leak theory as leverage. The message is, back off of aiding Russia or we take this to the next level, (DoD or CIA). If china steps back they disavow this report as irrelevant from a low level agency without all of the data and the MSM carries their water. If not they ramp up the pressure and Fauci, who is irrelevant now and expendable, goes under the bus.
So the upshot is the truth was never relevant. The lab link was seen to help Trump, and hurt the entrnched interests you describe, so it was bad. But if it can be used as leverage because Ukraine!, it is helpful. We have crossd the Rubicon.
What a terrific job you have done to round up so many aspects of this horrifying narrative. Many thanks.
It's obvious now that the USG along with the WEF/CCP is directly responsible for the death of over 7 million worldwide. This was done using fear and government control to usher in the UN Agenda 2030 protocols of a worldwide single control (UN) governing entity. C19 did not do all they hoped and dreamed it would. It's was a good start--what's up next will be the clincher. Look to Ukraine for the answer.
The weapon China unleashed on the world is lockdown for no scientific reason and the myth of a new pathogen. No samples exist. No studies prove symptoms are caused by this myth, and the tests are fraudulent (no gold standard because no samples). Everything can be explained without a novel virus
Wonderful summary of events. So many things have happened over the last 3 years, it's hard to remember all of them.
My favorite tangent - the mention of the anthrax letters from 2001. Whatever happened to the people that sent them? I guess as Director Wray said in an interview with Bret Baier last night - it's just one more "ongoing investigation" he can't talk about. It's just 22 years later!
Anyone see the original Blade Runner movie?
Remember when Decker takes the snake scale the replicant left behind to the street ripperdoc who reads the corporate trademark on the DNA material?
That's how much of a slam dunk multiple furin cleavage sites are.
There aren't enough moments in the entire universe to make it statistically possible that "surgery scars" in the precise places a molecular biologist would place them could evolve naturally in a virus that mutates so quickly we have to make up stupid names for it.
We are buried in a mountain of lies.
Atrocity demands blood.
Do I have a weird sense of humor, ..... or did anyone else get a good laugh from the single word "Narrative™," ?
That trademark logo had me in stitches !!
Isn't there a third theory? Karen Kingston writes of intentional aerosol release of a bioweapon lipid nano particle creation from hell, that is not even a virus. She has either patents or contracts describing what's been done.
That's interesting. Hadn't heard of that.
Here's a really deep dive from a former EcoHealth Alliance insider, Dr Andrew Huff.
The Truth About Wuhan
https://a.co/d/9SBpokm
Interesting, thanks!
Thanks - great work. I do not have a science background but have always thought that the rapid mutation, after being exposed to humans was an indicator of lab development. We have had pandemics before but they tend to burn out. This has not. It has rapidly evolved into new strains, just like the common cold. Dos this happen often? This fast? Maybe someone more knowledgeable than I can address?
Great piece.
re: "Baric and Shi Zhengli of the Wuhan Institute of Virology, the two top experts on the genetic interplay between bat and human coronaviruses, began collaborating in 2015":
Just for fun, see the listed authors and publication date for this paper:
https://www.researchgate.net/publication/7570445_Bats_Are_Natural_Reservoirs_of_SARS-Like_Coronaviruses
I've actually heard it said that their first collaboration (around Nipah virus research, allegedly) dates back to 2002, but I'm unable to substantiate that at this time. In any case, it seems likely that they've at very least been acquainted for much longer than is commonly assumed.
Best!
i heard the TWIV interview with Daszak at the time. he would talk about how easy it was to manipulate and create viruses. then the next week, the TWIV guys would insist that SARS COV-2 could not have come from a lab because "humans aren't smart enough to make such a thing" which seemed to contradict what Daszak was saying.
i pretty much stop listening to them, mainly because i didn't like being insulted as in "anyone who won't take the vaccine is a redneck, trump supporting, racist, high school drop out peddling russian disinformation" and i am none of those things (well, except for not taking the vaccine. they got that part right).
but i did listen to their most recent podcast which was about convalescent plasma which, now that the vaccine is safely EUAed, i guess it's safe to admit that it really does work. (can ivermectin be far behind?)
after the guest left and the regular hosts resumed their general sanctimonious banter, they got around to the lab leak hypothesis which is now endorsed by more government entities.
"how dare they?" "they aren't scientists" "there has never been any evidence that it came from a lab" etc. they still insist that "thousands" of children have died of covid, that "there hasn't been a single death from the vaccines" which are "miracles" although lately they are a bit dismissive of endless boosters.
they want politics entirely out of money and yet expect their funding demands to be met by the taxpayers without question since only they, the high priests of virology have the sacred knowledge.
they insist that GOF is of the utmost importance with it's potential to crank out vaccines for diseases (that wouldn't have ever existed but for GOF research) and force them on the public so that we may all enjoy a "guarantee" of perfect health.
let's face it, without GOF, virology would be the boring unsexy, not very lucrative historical study of viruses we already know and love. how much more thrilling to invent your own and then rush in at the 11th hour with the magic elixir to save the world and pick up a nobel prize or two.
How many people do you know who know who Daszack is?
That's the real problem imo.
BAM !!
Most are too busy, or too lazy, or too trapped in their favorite "Narrative™ " to do any searching for information that doesn't come on the silver spoon of MSM. Really sad actually. The really strange part, for me anyway, is that being a "redneck, trump supporting, racist, high school drop out peddling russian disinformation" is that I couldn't even buy a meat grinder without researching specs on hundreds of different models and reading reviews in order to make a final decision on which one to get. I still have a very lengthy Word file with highlighted text, product images, specifications and descriptions. lmao. I can't seem to delete it even now that it is no longer useful to me, because it represents nearly two months of daily research on the topic of Good Meat Grinders. If I will go through that just for a grinder, I can't imagine anyone lining up to ignorantly take this sludge injection based on what the News tells them, but what do I know, .... I'm a half-wit !!
it's so funny. when my father was alive, i was his constant companion and went with him to all his doctor appointments. whenever he was in the hospital, i slept in the chair by his bed, talked to the doctors, questioned every medication, had a shelf in the nurse's fridge for homemade food, etc.
i would write long posts on facebook to update friends on his condition and the comments always celebrated me for "doing your own research"and "taking control of your father's health" and "not merely doing whatever the doctor said." they all wished they could have such a pro-active, knowledgeable advocate if they were ever old and sick (FYI, my father was in remarkably good shape for a 95 year old man and being around him was a great joy).
i wonder what all these people would say now? "how dare you question the experts?" "stay in your lane." "you're just a theatrical costumer; you aren't capable of doing your own research."
it's like overnight, their brains got snatched away and replaced with mush.
Where my Mother lived, there is one sister, three nieces and two nephews, all grown and living within 10 miles and in 2013 Mom had to call me in Florida, to ask me if I would come all the way to AZ and take care of her because she could no longer drive, or cook, and was too unsteady on her feet, etc. Of course I packed up everything in a big U-haul and put my car on a trailer behind it and boogied. Being a Momma's boy has its responsibilities, after all. lol. I did the same with Dr's appointments and hospitals and found the Hospitals and the Dr's there didn't especially like that very much. She had early signs of dementia but the Dr. refused to listen to me, and told me "I'm The Doctor, Do You Think You Are Smarter Than Me?" and my answer was "Well, all things considered, ... YES, Yes I DO !!" I had to call the hospital customer relations dept. or whatever they call it and demand these specific tests be done whether the idiot Dr. wants to do it or not. They made him order the test, they came, they tested and I WAS RIGHT. He had someone else call me to give me the results, I had his number and called several times to speak to him in person, but never was able to. (Not Surprised at the unwillingness to be spoon fed Crow), In the end, what the hospital did, was report me to APS (Adult Protective Services) with BS claims. Talk about sour grapes huh ?? lol When people couldn't care less about taking care of their elders in the last years because they just can't be bothered, it really is indicative of just how LOW America has sunk. Mom passed in 2018 before covid began, and looking toward the chaotic vision of what the future is sure to bring, ... I think she is the lucky one.
Not only that; they lined up between the garden section and automotive section of Walmart (or wherever) and had a stock shelfer give them a mystery shot for a disease that had an IFR of 0.2%!
Instead of having Good Meat Grinder notes they have shrinkwrapped minds. If MSM (including fucking Fox) said it was good then 2,3 or 4 is better.
As my now deceased friend Dave Rankin would always say "Foolish Mortals !"
He had a way with sarcasm, and I can't even count how many different situations where his words "Thank You, I'll Take Two" were utterly hilarious. lol He died pre-covid, but I am certain these sludge jabs would have fallen victim to more than a few Rankinisms as we came to call them.
I have a folder on my desktop also, titled "Covid Shit" and it is now 2.66GB in size. I have been blasting coof and quaxxine info out to a long list of email recipients over the last 2.5 years and I get zero response. Yet at least one person who was interested in Meat Grinder research asked me for a copy of my notes in the Word file, so I sent it to them. Hard to believe there is more interest in that, than covid or the vaxx. There seems to be little hope for the species.
My affliction of time consuming search for into is derived from being a cheap bastard who wants the best product with the best features and highest quality and durability, for the least cost. I did the same exhaustive searching, even for auto parts. It's amazing the information one can find, like the fact that the vast majority of Alternators you can buy at big-chain auto parts stores, are complete garbage made in China, even the remanufactured one's and some are toast right out of the box. With the Grinders, I discovered that Anything you can buy in retail dept. stores is TRASH that will never last, have gears made of plastic, weak motors, etc. even up to the $150 range. The ones that advertise All Steel Gears are also trash even though they cost $150 and up, because the part they don't divulge is the fact that it is All Steal Gears except for that one plastic final drive gear that strips cogs off in short order. In the end I scored a 57 pound #12 Carnivore at Cabela's, on sale during the holidays for $430 delivered. It cost three times what I anticipated spending, but it will chew through an entire Deer in short order, can grind Chicken bones for Dog Food (for those who feed dogs that diet) and will likely outlast me. Sadly, any lesser grinder, is equal to lighting money on fire. Why such an interest in Grinders? Reading a study of how many different types of animals are found in store bought ground beef. That should be enough for anyone to become interested in making their own 95% lean ground chuck at home from roasts at a cost of only $2.97lb lol And strangely, I have not found a single bit of Bone in my burgers or meatloaf in the last several years. That was a welcome change. lol
(Edit) Cabela's X-Mas Sale 20% Off $399.99 @ Checkout
Reg Price $399.99+Tax $31.9992 =$431.9892
Sale Price $319.992+Tax $29.44 =$349.43
I'm interested in buying one of these, is it the 1HP?
No, it is only 3/4hp but works well with very cold meat and I have never heard it bog down at all.
After I bought it, I remembered another one that I liked a little better, but they both have their good points.
Cabela's Carnivore IK-541553 Commercial Grade : #12
This one is like a motor with a handle on top (no housing) and comes with an ice pack for the auger head to keep it colder for long grinding sessions, It also has a storage drawer built in and has a nice large diameter collar ring to make it easier to loosen. It has decent rubber feet, but does not have a cord bail.
GUIDE GEAR 57675: #12
This one has a housing like a LEM with a handle on top, is also 3/4hp and has a built in storage drawer, BUT, unlike the Cabala's unit, the Guide Gear drawer opens out the rear rather then the front, which means you can access it even when there is a catch tub under it. It has a large collar nut also and It also has a cord bail for storage and also comes with a catch pan and three die plates where the Carnivore comes with two die plates. .. But it doesn't come with the ice pack for the auger head. Hmmm compromises I guess. If I had to do it over again, I'd likely try the Guide Gear #12 if I could get in on sale. The Guide Gear #12 and the Cabela's Carnivore #12 are priced in the same range for either of them, with the Guide Gear possibly slightly higher.
Oh and I was mistaken, the Carnivore is only 51.5 pounds and the Guide Gear, is a little larger and weighs almost 57lbs
you would think that everyone would know of him by now. that is the most valuable thing i got from listening to TWIV- knowing the cast of characters: Kristian Andersen, Jeremy Farrar, Marion Koopmans, Christian Drosten, Laurie Garrett- the whole motley crew.
then when their names came up again- the lab leak, the Fauci emails, the vaccine trials- i knew them all.
let's face it; it's just easier not to "know"