The WaPo headline: "Trump rushed offstage after loud noises heard at Pa. rally."
NY Times: "Donald Trump Is ‘Safe’ After What Sounded Like Gunshots at Rally"
CNN: "Trump injured in incident at Pennsylvania rally."
MSNBC, of all places, was on par with the Times' descriptive headline and said "Trump rushed off stage as shots fired at rally."
Now ask yourself what the headlines would be if this had been anyone the media favors in the election. How many opinion columns would be written? How many solemn segments would find MSNBC hosts lecturing the American people about what a dark day this is for democracy?
How many CNN pundits would flood the channel with stark warnings and emotive, bad-faith grandstanding?
None of that's going to happen. Because Orange Man Bad. Whatever course correction you thought the media took after the debate, this is reminding us, in the words of Dennis Green, "they are who we thought they were."
I wouldn't infer anything from the first headlines, they're trying to get something out that is at least somewhat factual in a rapidly evolving situation - although anyone could just watch the footage instead.
I think we'll see a lot of dumb hot takes soon, including but not limited to blaming Trump, calling for gun control, calling it a false-flag by the Trump campaign.
I think it's best to wait to see if the shooters motives can be discerned.
Your point is well taken, and I have wondered if my initial reaction to the headlines was unfair. But after seeing the video, the headlines that emerged seem incongruous and “safe” in a way that I don’t believe they would have been if the target had been someone the press admired.
As for the dumb takes, they’ve already started. Someone responded to Andrew Sullivan’s reaction by saying, “Why can’t this be a false flag operation?” and someone I’m connected with on Facebook suggested the same: that the people who allege that school shootings are staged do it because they’re the ones actually doing the fake shootings. Hence today.
According to The Verge, “false flag” and “staged” are being promoted on X.
It's just premature, I think once the facts are known the spin will start in earnest. From both sides. My initial reaction was also to blame the media vitriol, having read the quotes calling Trump "Hitler" just yesterday. One has to recognize that right now no one really has an opinion, just a lot a feeling.
A lot of the takes will sounds pretty dumb in the hours and days to come.
That assassination attempt was from them. They are the establishment. They are the looters who have exported American working class economic opportunity and imported other country's poverty and crime. They are Wall Street. They are the upper class coastal and big city liberals. They are the Ivy League managerial and administrative class that believes they are ordained to rule us all. They destroyed the economy in 2008 and then bailed themselves out. They destroyed the economy again causing a global pandemic, and profited off it while they destroyed millions of families, school children and small businesses. They gorge on Wall Street returns and real estate values while they push raging violent radicals out on the streets with their pink hats and black masks to burn the place down.
It is us against them, and they are now trying to kill us.
We should never resort to violence like they do. But we should eliminate their power and render them inconsequential and disgraced.
And had that happened, the Dems online and in the media would have been celebrated it over and over again. Now, because it failed, they are downplaying it. They are disgusting people.
Curious: If Trump's head had exploded right there, will Dems (Biden or whoever) win the election? I'm thinking the Reps could run a different candidate who could capture both the "Trump martyred" vote and some of those never Trumper votes. It would not suddenly make Biden more popular or less demented, and it removes the "I'm not voting for you, I'm voting against Trump" Biden votes (e.g., my wife). But, who knows.
The secret service and local LE screwed the pooch yesterday. Plain and simple. No way a shooter should have been able to pull this off.
Leftists and their insane, vicious media whores have created an atmosphere so toxic and poisonous that anything could now happen....it lies squarely on their shoulders, they are responsible for this!
This can in no way be a scripted event. Guns are not toys or props. This view is propagated by ignorant Liberals. The number 1 rule of gun safety is that you do Not Ever point a gun at someone unless you are willing to shoot that person. Look at the video. Trump is looking straight forward then suddenly turns his head sideways which reduced his target area to a glancing shot. That Liberal terrorist would have shot him right in the head, but for the Grace of God.
It sounded like a .22 or similar small caliber fire. Initially. Trumps head moved from facing forward to suddenly turning to the side, which almost certainly caused it to be a glancing shot instead of assassination. My guess would be an amateur, possibly Anifa, strongly motivated by the hate rhetoric of the main stream news media.
watch the video there are two volleys. Shooter than sniper team. Ss rushes trump has him down. At that point there is a final single shot and a woman screams. Thats when the agent say "shooter is down" Watched it two or times. swear I heard it.
Thiis may be SOP for all I know. go center mass to stop. I he moves, head shot.
I wouldn't consider myself an expert and don't mean to present myself as one, and I'm not overly familiar with Secret Service rules of engagement, but I was trained to shoot until the threat is eliminated, and that's how the police operate as well. You'll sometimes hear of incidents where police officers fire dozens to hundreds of rounds at some thug, drawing outrage for "use of excessive force." But 9 out of 10 times it's not "excessive force," it's simply the cops doing what they're trained to do. If you're a cop and someone fires a gun at you, or is firing a gun at someone else, you don't shoot the dude in the leg and wait to see if he stops shooting, you shoot until he's no longer a threat. That usually means killing him.
It sounds like what you're describing might be considered a "double tap," which the military caught some flak for after the media ran some stories (maybe a decade?) ago about American soldiers employing this "technique" in Afghanistan. A "double tap" is when you fire another round into a target even after it's (almost certainly) no longer a threat. You're just making sure the job is done. Which some people think is unethical.
But the Secret Service has more license for a variety of obvious reasons. And especially in this case, when the Secret Service snipers immediately knew what was happening (though an investigation may very well find that they failed to prevent it from happening, that their reaction time was too slow), I'd say they were 100% justified in putting another round in that lunatic fuck's head. Don't give him another chance to open fire into a target rich environment. Based on pictures I've seen of the shooter's head, that's what they did.
thanks -I actually thought the same but was interested that it had not been remarked upon. My thought was keep your gun on him after he was immobilized. If moves, "double tap" as you say.
Don’t get me wrong I’m disgusted and afraid of an assassination attempt on Trump - but when I watch the video it just doesn’t match my experience of gunshots or a persons reaction to it.
That would be an insane and desperate move that would be immediately exposed and ridiculed. Fake blood? Apparently 2 people dead. WSJ says shooter and bystander.
I agree! It does look staged. I’m not believing it! If the bullet skimmed his head it should’ve hit someone else behind him or did they tackle him to the ground and dress him up with a little bit of paint. They would all do anything to incite civil war and then start rounding people up and taking them away to Fema camps. They want war (Dems and Republicans)! They want death and destruction.
Are you aware that a man in attendance at the rally had his head blown off by one of the rounds intended for Trump? Or that a member of the White House press corps took a photo that shows a bullet whizzing by Trump's head?
Brad, some people just want to hate. And don't want to accept facts . and don't want to mourn the innocent dead and injured. RFK was on FOX tonight and was terrific in his response. Some opponents are worthy of respect.
Sacrificing the lives of attendees to create a spectacle is something the powers that be would do. I suspect the shadow government more than Trumps people.
Yes, that's exactly what happened. Which is why the 20 year old fuck from Pennsylvania who just tried to blow Trump's head off on live television had his own head blown off by a Secret Service sniper. Totally an elaborate shadow government operation and not the product of incessant fear mongering and false, hysterical rhetoric propagated by the Left for the better part of a decade now, which led one radicalized lunatic to take matters into his own hands.
I completely agree with you that the Left has been unhinged, dangerous, and constantly encouraged by the Dems since 2016. I’m also suspicious that something weird is going on behind that.
Heard a report (I think local Pittsburgh news, but have watched 10 local/national stations) that the DNC or a Den PAC is pulling many ads that include hyperbolic rhetoric about Trump.
Wow what a brilliant stated set of facts and evidence. 🙄 The government and politicians regardless of party are constantly engaging in false flags and theatrics. Sacrificing audience members wouldn’t be below them. How did this shooter even get in? Where was security? I think something extremely fishy is going on and that makes me skeptical and aware not stupid.
Important to remember that video is incapable of capturing the entire frequency range of gun fire without distortion or anything interfering with the decibel level.
The WaPo headline: "Trump rushed offstage after loud noises heard at Pa. rally."
NY Times: "Donald Trump Is ‘Safe’ After What Sounded Like Gunshots at Rally"
CNN: "Trump injured in incident at Pennsylvania rally."
MSNBC, of all places, was on par with the Times' descriptive headline and said "Trump rushed off stage as shots fired at rally."
Now ask yourself what the headlines would be if this had been anyone the media favors in the election. How many opinion columns would be written? How many solemn segments would find MSNBC hosts lecturing the American people about what a dark day this is for democracy?
How many CNN pundits would flood the channel with stark warnings and emotive, bad-faith grandstanding?
None of that's going to happen. Because Orange Man Bad. Whatever course correction you thought the media took after the debate, this is reminding us, in the words of Dennis Green, "they are who we thought they were."
Nail on head
I wouldn't infer anything from the first headlines, they're trying to get something out that is at least somewhat factual in a rapidly evolving situation - although anyone could just watch the footage instead.
I think we'll see a lot of dumb hot takes soon, including but not limited to blaming Trump, calling for gun control, calling it a false-flag by the Trump campaign.
I think it's best to wait to see if the shooters motives can be discerned.
Your point is well taken, and I have wondered if my initial reaction to the headlines was unfair. But after seeing the video, the headlines that emerged seem incongruous and “safe” in a way that I don’t believe they would have been if the target had been someone the press admired.
As for the dumb takes, they’ve already started. Someone responded to Andrew Sullivan’s reaction by saying, “Why can’t this be a false flag operation?” and someone I’m connected with on Facebook suggested the same: that the people who allege that school shootings are staged do it because they’re the ones actually doing the fake shootings. Hence today.
According to The Verge, “false flag” and “staged” are being promoted on X.
It's just premature, I think once the facts are known the spin will start in earnest. From both sides. My initial reaction was also to blame the media vitriol, having read the quotes calling Trump "Hitler" just yesterday. One has to recognize that right now no one really has an opinion, just a lot a feeling.
A lot of the takes will sounds pretty dumb in the hours and days to come.
He just shrugged it off!
Whatever doesn't kill him makes him stronger!
One of the most iconic photos of all time.
TOTALLY. I think he's saying "FIGHT".
Yes. That's what he said.
That assassination attempt was from them. They are the establishment. They are the looters who have exported American working class economic opportunity and imported other country's poverty and crime. They are Wall Street. They are the upper class coastal and big city liberals. They are the Ivy League managerial and administrative class that believes they are ordained to rule us all. They destroyed the economy in 2008 and then bailed themselves out. They destroyed the economy again causing a global pandemic, and profited off it while they destroyed millions of families, school children and small businesses. They gorge on Wall Street returns and real estate values while they push raging violent radicals out on the streets with their pink hats and black masks to burn the place down.
It is us against them, and they are now trying to kill us.
We should never resort to violence like they do. But we should eliminate their power and render them inconsequential and disgraced.
This. Brilliant
As predicted on my last post here. They will go to all lengths.
Just a matter of time.
I would say the democrat party DIRECTED this.
Ya think?!
I would more say they set the board up and let it happen
That was a couple inches away from his head exploding on stage.
You think Dems are desperate 🤔
And had that happened, the Dems online and in the media would have been celebrated it over and over again. Now, because it failed, they are downplaying it. They are disgusting people.
Curious: If Trump's head had exploded right there, will Dems (Biden or whoever) win the election? I'm thinking the Reps could run a different candidate who could capture both the "Trump martyred" vote and some of those never Trumper votes. It would not suddenly make Biden more popular or less demented, and it removes the "I'm not voting for you, I'm voting against Trump" Biden votes (e.g., my wife). But, who knows.
The secret service and local LE screwed the pooch yesterday. Plain and simple. No way a shooter should have been able to pull this off.
Shit; I’ve known this would happen for more than two years. I’ve been afraid to write about it.
His family must be terrified. How horrible.
They're trying to terrify all of us.
They deploy political violence because it works.
He stood up like a boss afterward. Wow, that's courage. God protect him.
Amen
HISTORIC TIMES WE LIVE IN, BRADLEY!
Leftists and their insane, vicious media whores have created an atmosphere so toxic and poisonous that anything could now happen....it lies squarely on their shoulders, they are responsible for this!
War?
This can in no way be a scripted event. Guns are not toys or props. This view is propagated by ignorant Liberals. The number 1 rule of gun safety is that you do Not Ever point a gun at someone unless you are willing to shoot that person. Look at the video. Trump is looking straight forward then suddenly turns his head sideways which reduced his target area to a glancing shot. That Liberal terrorist would have shot him right in the head, but for the Grace of God.
It sounded like a .22 or similar small caliber fire. Initially. Trumps head moved from facing forward to suddenly turning to the side, which almost certainly caused it to be a glancing shot instead of assassination. My guess would be an amateur, possibly Anifa, strongly motivated by the hate rhetoric of the main stream news media.
Two rally attendees are in a Pittsburgh hospital in critical condition. Shot came from a rooftop at least 200 yards from the stage. No amateur.
So checking with the experts. There is a final shot 5 to7 seconds out. Doubtless a kill shot to the head. Necessary?
What do you mean?
watch the video there are two volleys. Shooter than sniper team. Ss rushes trump has him down. At that point there is a final single shot and a woman screams. Thats when the agent say "shooter is down" Watched it two or times. swear I heard it.
Thiis may be SOP for all I know. go center mass to stop. I he moves, head shot.
Oh, I see what you're saying.
I wouldn't consider myself an expert and don't mean to present myself as one, and I'm not overly familiar with Secret Service rules of engagement, but I was trained to shoot until the threat is eliminated, and that's how the police operate as well. You'll sometimes hear of incidents where police officers fire dozens to hundreds of rounds at some thug, drawing outrage for "use of excessive force." But 9 out of 10 times it's not "excessive force," it's simply the cops doing what they're trained to do. If you're a cop and someone fires a gun at you, or is firing a gun at someone else, you don't shoot the dude in the leg and wait to see if he stops shooting, you shoot until he's no longer a threat. That usually means killing him.
It sounds like what you're describing might be considered a "double tap," which the military caught some flak for after the media ran some stories (maybe a decade?) ago about American soldiers employing this "technique" in Afghanistan. A "double tap" is when you fire another round into a target even after it's (almost certainly) no longer a threat. You're just making sure the job is done. Which some people think is unethical.
But the Secret Service has more license for a variety of obvious reasons. And especially in this case, when the Secret Service snipers immediately knew what was happening (though an investigation may very well find that they failed to prevent it from happening, that their reaction time was too slow), I'd say they were 100% justified in putting another round in that lunatic fuck's head. Don't give him another chance to open fire into a target rich environment. Based on pictures I've seen of the shooter's head, that's what they did.
thanks -I actually thought the same but was interested that it had not been remarked upon. My thought was keep your gun on him after he was immobilized. If moves, "double tap" as you say.
16 seconds after the first shot there is a distinct single shot
Looks staged and fake.
Wsj says the secret service guy killed the shooter. You think that is staged and fake?
Don’t get me wrong I’m disgusted and afraid of an assassination attempt on Trump - but when I watch the video it just doesn’t match my experience of gunshots or a persons reaction to it.
That’s retarded.
That would be an insane and desperate move that would be immediately exposed and ridiculed. Fake blood? Apparently 2 people dead. WSJ says shooter and bystander.
And two critically injured.
I agree! It does look staged. I’m not believing it! If the bullet skimmed his head it should’ve hit someone else behind him or did they tackle him to the ground and dress him up with a little bit of paint. They would all do anything to incite civil war and then start rounding people up and taking them away to Fema camps. They want war (Dems and Republicans)! They want death and destruction.
Are you aware that a man in attendance at the rally had his head blown off by one of the rounds intended for Trump? Or that a member of the White House press corps took a photo that shows a bullet whizzing by Trump's head?
https://x.com/HarazGhanbari/status/1812280749745410196
Log off.
Brad, some people just want to hate. And don't want to accept facts . and don't want to mourn the innocent dead and injured. RFK was on FOX tonight and was terrific in his response. Some opponents are worthy of respect.
Sacrificing the lives of attendees to create a spectacle is something the powers that be would do. I suspect the shadow government more than Trumps people.
Yes, that's exactly what happened. Which is why the 20 year old fuck from Pennsylvania who just tried to blow Trump's head off on live television had his own head blown off by a Secret Service sniper. Totally an elaborate shadow government operation and not the product of incessant fear mongering and false, hysterical rhetoric propagated by the Left for the better part of a decade now, which led one radicalized lunatic to take matters into his own hands.
https://nypost.com/2024/07/13/us-news/thomas-matthew-crooks-idd-as-gunman-who-shot-trump-during-pa-rally/
I completely agree with you that the Left has been unhinged, dangerous, and constantly encouraged by the Dems since 2016. I’m also suspicious that something weird is going on behind that.
Fair enough.
Retard
I think it appears that way because everyone knows crowds of Nazis are calm!..;)
Heard a report (I think local Pittsburgh news, but have watched 10 local/national stations) that the DNC or a Den PAC is pulling many ads that include hyperbolic rhetoric about Trump.
Maybe. But, that was real blood coming off the side of his ear.
Retard
Wow what a brilliant stated set of facts and evidence. 🙄 The government and politicians regardless of party are constantly engaging in false flags and theatrics. Sacrificing audience members wouldn’t be below them. How did this shooter even get in? Where was security? I think something extremely fishy is going on and that makes me skeptical and aware not stupid.
Important to remember that video is incapable of capturing the entire frequency range of gun fire without distortion or anything interfering with the decibel level.