Taylor Lorenz has been nuts for quite a while. Now she clearly needs professional help.
It’s disturbing to see the Luigi Mangione enthusiasm on the left. But now it’s been taken a step further into moral insanity. The New Yorker published a piece lamenting the right’s defense of vigilantism in Daniel Penny. They actually made a moral equivalence between reacting in the moment to a dangerous situation on a subway train and stalking a husband and father to shoot him in the back.
The left has a completely broken and inverted moral compass.
That's because the kind of people who work in NYC media could never imagine themselves standing up and confronting a violent freak on the subway (even if that freak were threatening kids and old ladies) but they could easily imagine themselves shooting someone in the back, esp if that meant they'd become a cross bw Robin Hood and Che Guevara.
I guarantee you none of these people has ever been in a fight or taken a shot to the jaw—they are posers who hide their insecurities behind ideology and attitude.
Anytime there's conflict in the modern world, from WW1 till today, you'll always see journalists rooting for spectacular violence while hiding safely in their offices.
Everybody likes playing edgy radical till the gun gets aimed there way.
I'm pretty sure Tay Tay is one of those people who has been in therapy since she was a child or teenager. It's also interesting to see this sort of ground-hog existence where she doesn't even realize that what she wrote before is still on the record. The corporate media acts the same way, living in a perpetual present.
I also find it strange to call it vigilantism when all Penny did was help out. He didn't intend to go into the subway to apprehend criminals, he stepped in when the situation presented itself and would probably have preferred to ride in peace.
But I also think it goes a bit far to valorize a CEO of an evil corporation just because the lefties hate him. He had a wife and kids, so had many of the people his company fucked over (legally).
Yes, I’m sure you are right about Taylor’s history of therapy.
I wasn’t trying to valorize Brian Thompson. But I am concerned that people seem to have decided that someone who was the CEO of his company for 3 yrs is somehow the face of the problems with health care in America.
Well as the CEO of a major insurer he's pretty much the face of it, even though it's kinda unfair and the board will replace him. It's really the government that's behind most of the problems but those people operate in the shadows.
That first quote from President Trump is so accurate. I’ve seen it throughout my life, people thinking they should be good at something just because it’s their turn or because they want to. No, it’s important to be self-reflective and understand what you’re actually good at. Obviously Harris didn’t.
It all started with participation trophies. That's when the pussification of America began.
Smack-dab middle of genX here. Trust me it's not a coincidence in the timing. The day before the day someone dreamed up participation trophies was the zenith of America. And here we are at the nadir...merely two generations after that fateful day.
And of course with that you must tell kids "they can be whatever they want to be". How would they know any better, they've never had the experience of measuring themselves against the field.
We have done a disservice to those who earned their place on the podium AND those who just had their names penciled onto the bracket.
Also at the same time, the notion that words are the same as actual knives. I grew up with “sticks and stones”, and that has been changed to words can hurt you, physically. Which is nonsense.
People who are good at things make it look easy, and are usually pretty humble about it too. If one believes the narrative that every success is down to either luck/privilege or malfeasance it's probably quite easy to overestimate your own ability.
I thought about this quite a bit, I recently saw a podcast with an entrepreneur who's parents are Punjabi immigrants (and also sikh). They told him all the time that he absolutely must become a medical doctor. He managed to negotiate them down and became a lawyer although he went into other business ventures instead, even while he was a student. There's also a meme about Asian mothers pushing their children very hard to succeed. What's left out of those stories is that the parents usually believed their children could do it. It's in stark contrast to the people who get told "you can be anything" but where the parents really are somewhat indifferent. Most of those people never amount to much.
While everyone should have someone in their corner perhaps sometimes the haters are also a good motivation, I had a few terrible teachers who told most of us students who they disfavored we would never amount to anything, because they believed it not because it was a motivational tool. I'm still a bit resentful but I'm doing better than all of those losers ;)
“Democrats should spend exactly zero political capital stopping any Trump deportation efforts. It is madness to spend capital trying to help people who are no longer a major part of your electoral coalition.” — The Bulwark’s Jonathan V. Last
JV Last is a disgusting subhuman. But this type of "thinking" is par for the course for his political media cohort. They are really all a species of human that lacks true empathy for anything except their own need to feel superior in status. Everything else falls beneath that.
Who cares about those brown skinned immigrants now... they did not come out to elect the princess Kamala, so to hell with them!
I was thinking about this... how did we get to the point where these type of people that run the Democrat party, have risen to the top of power and influence when the system would have previously made sure they were the true downward beneficiaries of their demonstrated terribleness?
Instead of the cream rising to the top of the milk bottle, the rat crap from the sewer has plugged the bottle neck...and needs to constantly removed to enjoy a drink.
The only reason that low morality turds like JV Last exist is that he feeds a population of lessor sewer rats that follow his lead.
We beat the sewer rats in the election, but they are still around doing their sewer rat things.
I read his quote as an admission that illegal immigrants had been considered "a major part of" the Democrats electoral coalition. But likely he's just another identitarian who thinks "brown skinned" people are all the same
The comments from the folks justifying the shooting tell you who is running the Democratic party and what they have planned for us if they ever get power. the shooters never run out of enemies to shoot.
Exactly. It's so crazy how blind people are to the bigger picture, how ignorant of history, how incapable of understanding the implications of normalizing this shit. Every "violence is bad, but..." statement legitimizes similar behavior. The message is that while murdering people in cold blood is unfortunate, it's an effective political tool and a great way to "jump start a conversation."
It's also interesting that the lefties cheering the assassination similarly fail to understand that normalizing violence does not bode well for them. You do not want right-wingers adopting casual violence as a political tool. Right-wing violence tends to be a lot more effective, and a lot "scarier," because the qualities that predispose a person to conservatism also predispose one to deliberate, strategic, and effective action that is unlikely to slip out of one’s control.
Luigi Mangione isn't a leftist. He's a whack job with a history of espousing some very common centrist views and appears to have experienced some kind of mental break over the past 6 months. But he's being idolized by the left.
I think the quick analogy is a right winger shooting an abortion Dr. but its not worth the venom it would inspire.
While your examples are troubling, this is somewhat apropos of losers who are heading towards the dust bin of history. and know it. The problem is the kids who have been indoctrinated. i had a long talk with my 19 year old who is attending a top big 10 business school. Mind you , up until 5 minutes ago, his dream was to follow the same career path Brian Thompson took, but now he is spouting about 'this is the only way change happens." Happily i think the cause of his new radicalization if a really cute organic chemistry major and by the end of the conversation he was backing off a lot of the bullshit. (Been there myself back in the day.) but I worry about how fucked up these schools have made our kids.
They've been slipping down that slope towards normalizing violence for a while, with all the talk about words being violence, the rioting, antifa attacks, assassination attempts on Trump etc. I'd rather this unloads on the actually powerful, perhaps they should feel scared, although this is likely to go out of control pretty quickly.
I feel reminded of a time when a lot of people were mad at the bankers and then bit by bit the narrative about racism, white supremacy etc. made them mad at each other instead. I'm glad many aren't taking the bait this time.
One of my best friends, a Cuban who lives in Berlin, called me to say he's elated by the murder and wants the blood of the CEOs to flow in the streets. This to him is a revolutionary moment where oppressed Americans rise up against their greedy overlords and kill them in the name of a fairer world.
I mentioned that it was a bit odd to be sitting in Berlin supporting political murder—that didn't work out so well for Germans 100 yrs ago. And then of course the utopian promises that preceded all the Communist revolutions—Cuban, Russian, Cambodian etc—that only ended up creating prison-camp societies that only reliably produced bloody corpses.
I said I was opposed to political murder as it was opening a Pandora's Box where the consequences are unknown and where you never know whose blood or how much of it will end up spilled, and where things could get much uglier—but was told my opinion was invalid as I have insurance and live in a nice house.
I think these reactions (if I can extrapolate) are in part based on the anger and despair liberals feel about the Trump renaissance—my friend claimed that the victory of Trump/Elon means that we live in a postdemocratic oligarchy where normal politics is useless against the reign of the corporate plutocracy; plus this media-induced psychosis where the negativity bias of clickbait paints America as a miserable hellscape of powerless angry peasants; plus the reflexive rage people have re the profit motive in healthcare and how denying coverage or overcharging becomes morally akin to Aztec human sacrifice.
People are often justifiably enraged at oil execs, pharma execs, tech cos not to mention landlords etc, so where do you draw the line? But that's the thing about self-righteous rage, it sees only in black and white: with the cleansing justice and its cause/result painted as all white, and the malefactors and any of their supporters painted all black.
people hate oil execs, bankers, doctors, politicians, hedge funders, etc etc.
anyone can work themselves into a homicidal rage and a justification for killing one of them or anyone similar, if so inclined.
usually it's either the rule of law or law of the jungle, but i guess what our cheerleaders for revolutionary violence want is a 3rd option: death sentence passed by the virtuous on the enemies of virtue a la the Jacobins and Bolsheviks.
I would prefer the rule of law, when do we get stared on that? Biden recently pardoned a judge who sent hundreds of kids to jail for kickbacks, also a Chinese spy who kept over 40.000 images of child pornography on his computers. Where was the rule of law when Neely was menacing people on the subway, where was the law when Daniel Penny was singled out for prosecution by the same institution that regularly allows violent criminals including rapists to go unpunished? At least the religious people can take comfort in the idea that some of these people end up getting punished eventually.
There are vast swathes of society who get away with heinous behavior with impunity, either because the law isn't enforced or because it protects them. The people have remained fairly docile so far. I have a sinking feeling that this is going to change at some point. If I look at some European countries like here in Germany or even worse in the UK where you get harassed or even arrested and your home invaded by police for social media posts while violent mobs roam the streets - at what point are people going to say "If I'm getting arrested anyways, might as well be for doing some actual harm"?
There is some historic precedent in the fall of the Soviet Union for a relatively peaceful change towards more freedom, where parts of the government as well as their thugs on the ground decided to stop when it all became untenable. I'm hoping for that.
Well they get a two'fer; he killed a guy for The Revolution and he saved at least one life by wearing his mask as perfect as a werewolfs hair at trader vics.
It is all psyop and gaslighting. Do you talk to this friend about living under regulations that stop innovation and small business success? Laws that permit invasions by illegals that overwhelm the social welfare system?
I wonder what the Venn overlap is between "people who think electing Trump was an amoral act" and "people think killing a CEO is a good thing because his company denied insurance claims."
It always puzzles me when I hear any minority activist advocating for what amounts to race-based violence. Can they not do the math? Is our education system really that broken?
It's interesting to see Shapiro and Walsh going full on woke, be it for Israel or now with the murder of a health insurance CEO. It's funny to see how these things shake out in a world where most things are seen through an "us/them" filter. The performative pearl-clutching at lefty insanity is really unfortunate, I get the feeling this is all about keeping some kind of conflict going even in the many areas where most Americans seem to agree (e.g. war, crime, corporate malfeasance).
It's just another example on where the Daily Wire people go full on identity politics, Walsh posted on X that there would be no lefty celebration if the CEO wasn't white.
These weekly comps are a delight! It's so enjoyable seeing the actual "cultists" revealing just how brazenly obtuse they are. The lack of self-reflection is the cherry on top.
Taylor Lorenz has been nuts for quite a while. Now she clearly needs professional help.
It’s disturbing to see the Luigi Mangione enthusiasm on the left. But now it’s been taken a step further into moral insanity. The New Yorker published a piece lamenting the right’s defense of vigilantism in Daniel Penny. They actually made a moral equivalence between reacting in the moment to a dangerous situation on a subway train and stalking a husband and father to shoot him in the back.
The left has a completely broken and inverted moral compass.
That's because the kind of people who work in NYC media could never imagine themselves standing up and confronting a violent freak on the subway (even if that freak were threatening kids and old ladies) but they could easily imagine themselves shooting someone in the back, esp if that meant they'd become a cross bw Robin Hood and Che Guevara.
I guarantee you none of these people has ever been in a fight or taken a shot to the jaw—they are posers who hide their insecurities behind ideology and attitude.
Anytime there's conflict in the modern world, from WW1 till today, you'll always see journalists rooting for spectacular violence while hiding safely in their offices.
Everybody likes playing edgy radical till the gun gets aimed there way.
I'm pretty sure Tay Tay is one of those people who has been in therapy since she was a child or teenager. It's also interesting to see this sort of ground-hog existence where she doesn't even realize that what she wrote before is still on the record. The corporate media acts the same way, living in a perpetual present.
I also find it strange to call it vigilantism when all Penny did was help out. He didn't intend to go into the subway to apprehend criminals, he stepped in when the situation presented itself and would probably have preferred to ride in peace.
But I also think it goes a bit far to valorize a CEO of an evil corporation just because the lefties hate him. He had a wife and kids, so had many of the people his company fucked over (legally).
Yes, I’m sure you are right about Taylor’s history of therapy.
I wasn’t trying to valorize Brian Thompson. But I am concerned that people seem to have decided that someone who was the CEO of his company for 3 yrs is somehow the face of the problems with health care in America.
Well as the CEO of a major insurer he's pretty much the face of it, even though it's kinda unfair and the board will replace him. It's really the government that's behind most of the problems but those people operate in the shadows.
That first quote from President Trump is so accurate. I’ve seen it throughout my life, people thinking they should be good at something just because it’s their turn or because they want to. No, it’s important to be self-reflective and understand what you’re actually good at. Obviously Harris didn’t.
It all started with participation trophies. That's when the pussification of America began.
Smack-dab middle of genX here. Trust me it's not a coincidence in the timing. The day before the day someone dreamed up participation trophies was the zenith of America. And here we are at the nadir...merely two generations after that fateful day.
And of course with that you must tell kids "they can be whatever they want to be". How would they know any better, they've never had the experience of measuring themselves against the field.
We have done a disservice to those who earned their place on the podium AND those who just had their names penciled onto the bracket.
Agreed. Also, ‘the pussification of America’ is the most apt phrase ever written I think.
Also at the same time, the notion that words are the same as actual knives. I grew up with “sticks and stones”, and that has been changed to words can hurt you, physically. Which is nonsense.
People who are good at things make it look easy, and are usually pretty humble about it too. If one believes the narrative that every success is down to either luck/privilege or malfeasance it's probably quite easy to overestimate your own ability.
Yes! Exactly! Also, the parents who tell their kids to ‘do what they love’. Sometimes what you love is best left as a hobby and not your life’s work.
I thought about this quite a bit, I recently saw a podcast with an entrepreneur who's parents are Punjabi immigrants (and also sikh). They told him all the time that he absolutely must become a medical doctor. He managed to negotiate them down and became a lawyer although he went into other business ventures instead, even while he was a student. There's also a meme about Asian mothers pushing their children very hard to succeed. What's left out of those stories is that the parents usually believed their children could do it. It's in stark contrast to the people who get told "you can be anything" but where the parents really are somewhat indifferent. Most of those people never amount to much.
While everyone should have someone in their corner perhaps sometimes the haters are also a good motivation, I had a few terrible teachers who told most of us students who they disfavored we would never amount to anything, because they believed it not because it was a motivational tool. I'm still a bit resentful but I'm doing better than all of those losers ;)
“Democrats should spend exactly zero political capital stopping any Trump deportation efforts. It is madness to spend capital trying to help people who are no longer a major part of your electoral coalition.” — The Bulwark’s Jonathan V. Last
JV Last is a disgusting subhuman. But this type of "thinking" is par for the course for his political media cohort. They are really all a species of human that lacks true empathy for anything except their own need to feel superior in status. Everything else falls beneath that.
Who cares about those brown skinned immigrants now... they did not come out to elect the princess Kamala, so to hell with them!
I was thinking about this... how did we get to the point where these type of people that run the Democrat party, have risen to the top of power and influence when the system would have previously made sure they were the true downward beneficiaries of their demonstrated terribleness?
Instead of the cream rising to the top of the milk bottle, the rat crap from the sewer has plugged the bottle neck...and needs to constantly removed to enjoy a drink.
The only reason that low morality turds like JV Last exist is that he feeds a population of lessor sewer rats that follow his lead.
We beat the sewer rats in the election, but they are still around doing their sewer rat things.
I read his quote as an admission that illegal immigrants had been considered "a major part of" the Democrats electoral coalition. But likely he's just another identitarian who thinks "brown skinned" people are all the same
The comments from the folks justifying the shooting tell you who is running the Democratic party and what they have planned for us if they ever get power. the shooters never run out of enemies to shoot.
Exactly. It's so crazy how blind people are to the bigger picture, how ignorant of history, how incapable of understanding the implications of normalizing this shit. Every "violence is bad, but..." statement legitimizes similar behavior. The message is that while murdering people in cold blood is unfortunate, it's an effective political tool and a great way to "jump start a conversation."
It's also interesting that the lefties cheering the assassination similarly fail to understand that normalizing violence does not bode well for them. You do not want right-wingers adopting casual violence as a political tool. Right-wing violence tends to be a lot more effective, and a lot "scarier," because the qualities that predispose a person to conservatism also predispose one to deliberate, strategic, and effective action that is unlikely to slip out of one’s control.
Luigi Mangione isn't a leftist. He's a whack job with a history of espousing some very common centrist views and appears to have experienced some kind of mental break over the past 6 months. But he's being idolized by the left.
I think the quick analogy is a right winger shooting an abortion Dr. but its not worth the venom it would inspire.
While your examples are troubling, this is somewhat apropos of losers who are heading towards the dust bin of history. and know it. The problem is the kids who have been indoctrinated. i had a long talk with my 19 year old who is attending a top big 10 business school. Mind you , up until 5 minutes ago, his dream was to follow the same career path Brian Thompson took, but now he is spouting about 'this is the only way change happens." Happily i think the cause of his new radicalization if a really cute organic chemistry major and by the end of the conversation he was backing off a lot of the bullshit. (Been there myself back in the day.) but I worry about how fucked up these schools have made our kids.
They've been slipping down that slope towards normalizing violence for a while, with all the talk about words being violence, the rioting, antifa attacks, assassination attempts on Trump etc. I'd rather this unloads on the actually powerful, perhaps they should feel scared, although this is likely to go out of control pretty quickly.
I feel reminded of a time when a lot of people were mad at the bankers and then bit by bit the narrative about racism, white supremacy etc. made them mad at each other instead. I'm glad many aren't taking the bait this time.
One of my best friends, a Cuban who lives in Berlin, called me to say he's elated by the murder and wants the blood of the CEOs to flow in the streets. This to him is a revolutionary moment where oppressed Americans rise up against their greedy overlords and kill them in the name of a fairer world.
I mentioned that it was a bit odd to be sitting in Berlin supporting political murder—that didn't work out so well for Germans 100 yrs ago. And then of course the utopian promises that preceded all the Communist revolutions—Cuban, Russian, Cambodian etc—that only ended up creating prison-camp societies that only reliably produced bloody corpses.
I said I was opposed to political murder as it was opening a Pandora's Box where the consequences are unknown and where you never know whose blood or how much of it will end up spilled, and where things could get much uglier—but was told my opinion was invalid as I have insurance and live in a nice house.
I think these reactions (if I can extrapolate) are in part based on the anger and despair liberals feel about the Trump renaissance—my friend claimed that the victory of Trump/Elon means that we live in a postdemocratic oligarchy where normal politics is useless against the reign of the corporate plutocracy; plus this media-induced psychosis where the negativity bias of clickbait paints America as a miserable hellscape of powerless angry peasants; plus the reflexive rage people have re the profit motive in healthcare and how denying coverage or overcharging becomes morally akin to Aztec human sacrifice.
People are often justifiably enraged at oil execs, pharma execs, tech cos not to mention landlords etc, so where do you draw the line? But that's the thing about self-righteous rage, it sees only in black and white: with the cleansing justice and its cause/result painted as all white, and the malefactors and any of their supporters painted all black.
I'd argue that higher education has a more predatory business model than the health insurance industry. Although both are seriously corrupt.
There's no excuse for the behavior of people who are celebrating this man's death.
Should we start assassinating deans?
Ask Taylor Lorenz where we should draw the line.
people hate oil execs, bankers, doctors, politicians, hedge funders, etc etc.
anyone can work themselves into a homicidal rage and a justification for killing one of them or anyone similar, if so inclined.
usually it's either the rule of law or law of the jungle, but i guess what our cheerleaders for revolutionary violence want is a 3rd option: death sentence passed by the virtuous on the enemies of virtue a la the Jacobins and Bolsheviks.
I would prefer the rule of law, when do we get stared on that? Biden recently pardoned a judge who sent hundreds of kids to jail for kickbacks, also a Chinese spy who kept over 40.000 images of child pornography on his computers. Where was the rule of law when Neely was menacing people on the subway, where was the law when Daniel Penny was singled out for prosecution by the same institution that regularly allows violent criminals including rapists to go unpunished? At least the religious people can take comfort in the idea that some of these people end up getting punished eventually.
There are vast swathes of society who get away with heinous behavior with impunity, either because the law isn't enforced or because it protects them. The people have remained fairly docile so far. I have a sinking feeling that this is going to change at some point. If I look at some European countries like here in Germany or even worse in the UK where you get harassed or even arrested and your home invaded by police for social media posts while violent mobs roam the streets - at what point are people going to say "If I'm getting arrested anyways, might as well be for doing some actual harm"?
There is some historic precedent in the fall of the Soviet Union for a relatively peaceful change towards more freedom, where parts of the government as well as their thugs on the ground decided to stop when it all became untenable. I'm hoping for that.
Well they get a two'fer; he killed a guy for The Revolution and he saved at least one life by wearing his mask as perfect as a werewolfs hair at trader vics.
It is all psyop and gaslighting. Do you talk to this friend about living under regulations that stop innovation and small business success? Laws that permit invasions by illegals that overwhelm the social welfare system?
I wonder what the Venn overlap is between "people who think electing Trump was an amoral act" and "people think killing a CEO is a good thing because his company denied insurance claims."
Ah, the Friday thrill ride through the ravings of unhinged degenerates.....somehow perks me up for the weekend.
It always puzzles me when I hear any minority activist advocating for what amounts to race-based violence. Can they not do the math? Is our education system really that broken?
Yes
It's interesting to see Shapiro and Walsh going full on woke, be it for Israel or now with the murder of a health insurance CEO. It's funny to see how these things shake out in a world where most things are seen through an "us/them" filter. The performative pearl-clutching at lefty insanity is really unfortunate, I get the feeling this is all about keeping some kind of conflict going even in the many areas where most Americans seem to agree (e.g. war, crime, corporate malfeasance).
It’s interesting to see Israel brought into this. Luigi Mangione is just like the Palestinian freedom fighters I guess.
It's just another example on where the Daily Wire people go full on identity politics, Walsh posted on X that there would be no lefty celebration if the CEO wasn't white.
Stupid thing to post but still true.
These weekly comps are a delight! It's so enjoyable seeing the actual "cultists" revealing just how brazenly obtuse they are. The lack of self-reflection is the cherry on top.
Reading these quotes, I can only say, wtf is wrong with our country? This is what moral relativism has wrought, and I worry it can’t be undone.
Its also what the pussification of America has wrought
Spare the rod and spoil the child.
Brad. You have done it again. My brain is exploding.
When the radical progressive left tells you who they are and what they believe…believe them.
“Violence is never the answer. But people can only be pushed so far.” — Elizabeth Warren, in an interview with The Huffington Post
Sacajawea is right. She’s probably not implying that it runs both ways though. It does.